The state exists because people believe in it's virtue. NOT because they think it's 'efficient'. Everyone knows socialism doesn't work, for example suggest to people what they think about socialized food.
The reason I'm using this type of argument against NoPropertarian is to show the inconsistency in his thinking. I'm showing him that he is invoking universal principles, and I use those do disprove his own ideas.
What you are saying {might makes right} is not something people can accept. The state in fact is might makes right. So people invoke all kinds of stuff to get the focus away from that. Notice how NoPropertarian says 'threats' instead of 'violence'. Or how he is appealing to the interests of people (I want to help people), but also at the same time saying that people should not be allowed to follow their self-interest. All very weird double think.
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